The Elitist Media have largely prevented the Fauci Diaries since its publication and subsequent listening to with their writer earlier than the Senate Homeland Safety and American Authorities Committee. CNN’s Dana Bash tried to carry out some narrative hygiene by having Well being Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. as a visitor on at the moment’s version of State of the Union. To place it mildly, that effort backfired.
Bash framed the interview earlier than its begin by dishonestly casting Fauci as a Trump appointee, and obtained instantly rebuffed when posing the query to Kennedy:
WATCH: The contentious Dana Bash-RFKJR interview was doomed from the beginning. Watch as Dana Bash opens the interview by dishonestly framing Anthony Fauci as a Trump appointee:
DANA BASH: Washington was additionally gripped this week by a blast from the previous, as former prime trump well being… pic.twitter.com/fXGFAlukcD
— Jorge Bonilla (@BonillaJL) August 2, 2026
DANA BASH: Washington was additionally gripped this week by a blast from the previous, as former prime Trump well being official physician Anthony Fauci repeatedly pleaded the fifth at a congressional listening to over his dealing with of the covid pandemic, all whereas the U.S. Faces well being challenges from illness outbreaks to rising well being care prices. Right here with me now could be the Well being and Human Companies Secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Thanks for being right here.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY. Jr.: Thanks for having me.
BASH: Respect it. You may have been putting almost all of the blame on the COVID pandemic and the best way that the U.S. responded to it squarely with Dr. Fauci. However, in fact, he labored for President Trump. Does President Trump additionally deserve a number of the blame?
KENNEDY: Properly President Trump, as you recall, wished to finish the lockdowns. I feel the factor that did probably the most injury to our nation was the lockdowns, lockdowns that shut down 3.5 million companies in our nation with no due course of, no simply compensation, all of our church buildings, closed our colleges, and our kids are nonetheless paying the worth for that. And but we had the worst end result of any nation on the planet.
BASH: How so?
KENNEDY: We’ve got the very best demise price from COVID of any nation on Earth.
BASH: Properly, let me simply say, as a result of I’ve heard you say that earlier than on the demise price from COVID. That is not correct, as a result of public well being consultants say that there’s a mixture of things that went into that, greater charges of persistent diseases, which I do know you’ll agree with, gaps to our well being care system, and misinformation about vaccines.
KENNEDY: Sure, you simply mentioned what I mentioned was inaccurate. What I mentioned was correct. We had the very best demise price from COVID of any…
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: Properly, there are different nations that had greater, however go forward.
KENNEDY: You’ll be able to argue about why we had that. However you — no one can let you know. I imply, we’ve — as you say, we’ve the very best persistent illness burden on the planet. And Anthony Fauci was mismanaging the COVID pandemic and was doing it underneath the Biden administration. President Trump wished to finish the lockdowns. And, actually, in Anthony Fauci’s diaries, he talks about how President Trump is asking him daily, making an attempt to get him to reopen the nation.
Anthony Fauci has been in and round Washington because the late 60s. And though he was an energetic a part of the Trump response as head of the Nationwide Institute of Allergy and Infectious Illnesses (NIAID), it was the Biden administration that elevated him to Chief Medical Advisor to the President (and granted him a preemptive autopen pardon). None of that issues, because the purpose right here is to Trumpwash Fauci and blunt the impression of the Fauci Diaries for functions of the Kennedy interview.
Kennedy had none of that, stomping throughout Bash’s narrative and bringing to the hearth Fauci’s position within the institution of the Covid lockdowns.
Bash shortly tries to shift the subject to staving off the subsequent pandemic, and tries to pin Kennedy down on gain-of-function analysis. When she insists on what it takes to stop the subsequent pandemic, she takes exception to Kennedy’s reply, which results in this contentious change whereby she will get COOKED:
WATCH: The total change whereby CNN’s Dana Bash obtained COOKED by RFKJR
BASH: So, how do you put together then? How do you put together for the subsequent pandemic? I imply, that is actually a part of your job now, as a result of consultants assume it should occur inside the subsequent 10 years once more.
KENNEDY:… pic.twitter.com/e3D9PMy9Pq
— Jorge Bonilla (@BonillaJL) August 2, 2026
BASH: So, how do you put together then? How do you put together for the subsequent pandemic? I imply, that is actually a part of your job now, as a result of consultants assume it should occur inside the subsequent 10 years once more.
KENNEDY: Sure, I imply, I feel we did nearly every little thing improper the final time.
BASH: So — however what about now?
KENNEDY: The principal factor that we have to do is, we have to hearken to what’s occurring to docs on the bottom. There are 15 million frontline physicians around the globe. They’re primarily now linked by means of the Web. We will inform on the entrance traces what’s working and what’s not. If we had listened to these docs throughout the COVID pandemic, we’d have saved doubtlessly hundreds of thousands of lives. There have been therapeutics on the market that had been working. There have been docs that had been having no deaths from COVID and treating in some instances 1000’s of sufferers.
And we weren’t listening to them. As an alternative, we had been doing the other. We had been shutting them down. After which, Dana, the opposite factor that I might say is that we have to defend our constitutional rights. That’s the main obligation of our nation.
BASH: What does that imply?
KENNEDY: Properly, throughout COVID, we utterly dismantled our constitutional rights. We started censoring individuals, in violation of the First Modification.
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: However you are saying what to not do. I am asking what to do. However I- however I wish to discuss…
KENNEDY: Properly, that is one thing to do. That’s the primary precedence. We defend the Structure. The Structure was written.
BASH: Forgive me, however you are simply — you are speaking about rights, and I am asking a few potential public well being disaster that’s coming. However I do wish to — let’s…
KENNEDY: And one of many errors we made within the final time was suppressing these rights so individuals weren’t being heard. Docs who had been saying you are doing it improper had been being marginalized and vilified and…
BASH: Sure, as a result of — as a result of — once more, I actually wish to transfer on. However you had been saying you had been…
KENNEDY: In fact you wish to transfer…
BASH: Sure, I do.
KENNEDY: … since you had been a part of the issue.
BASH: No, I wasn’t a part of the issue.
KENNEDY: There was absolute press malpractice. You were not permitting — your job…
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: Mr. Secretary, your job…
KENNEDY: Your job is a fierce skepticism towards authority.
BASH: OK. Sure, I’m. I’m.
KENNEDY: And you were not doing that. You had been beating up on individuals who had been dissenting.
BASH: My job can be — no, OK. Are you going to — you wish to sit right here and assault me, or do you wish to have conversations about public well being?
KENNEDY: Properly, you are sitting right here and attacking me.
BASH: I am not attacking you. I am asking questions on the way to forestall the subsequent pandemic.
KENNEDY: And let me reply the query. And I’ll let you know.
BASH: That is what I am making an attempt to do. However I additionally do not wish to use this interview to let you say issues that are not solely true. You are speaking about therapeutics. High quality. It’s also factually true that the COVID vaccine labored. The COVID vaccine prevented deaths. There may be knowledge upon knowledge upon knowledge. Let’s speak in regards to the measles, please, as a result of that is one thing that’s occurring as we converse. The instances within the U.S…
KENNEDY: You assume the COVID vaccine protected kids?
BASH: I feel that what I’ve talked to scientists and docs about…
KENNEDY: You may have talked to scientists. Are you able to look — are you able to present me one examine…
BASH: Sure, I can. I can.
KENNEDY: … that reveals that kids had been protected by the COVID vaccine?
BASH: I can let you know that there are…
KENNEDY: That that vaccine did extra good than hurt to kids? Are you able to present me one examine that reveals that?
BASH: I can let you know that, on the subject of the vaccine, there have been research that present that, due to vaccine disinformation, disinformation, there may have been 100,000 to 200,000 within the U.S. saved however as a result of individuals did not get the vaccine, that is why.
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: I am not saying that it solely — let me end. Let me end.
KENNEDY: You’re saying nonsense. You’re saying one thing that you simply can’t present me a single examine.
BASH: OK. I’m not saying nonsense. I am — excuse me.
KENNEDY: You’re speaking — anyone advised you.
BASH: Excuse me. Let me…
KENNEDY: And also you — cite me the examine. What examine?
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: No, what research are you speaking about? You are speaking about research that really do not exist. I wish to speak in regards to the…
KENNEDY: Cite me the examine. You are speaking about it.
BASH: I am not right here to defend…
KENNEDY: You say you could have seen research. Cite me the examine.
BASH: This isn’t productive. I’m not right here to defend the entire — let me end.
KENNEDY: You are simply — you are speaking nonsense. You are making assertions you possibly can’t assist, after which after I name you on them, you are telling me I am arguing with you.
BASH: OK, do you wish to discuss -you need to- discuss assertions which you can’t assist? I’ll get there in a second. Let me simply say, for the report, that I’m not saying that your complete means that the COVID response was correct. It was a scary time, and other people made errors, completely. Let me end.
KENNEDY: You had been scaring individuals.
BASH: Why are you saying that?
KENNEDY: As a result of that was the job of CNN…
BASH: OK. OK, cease.
KENNEDY: … was to place the Chyrons up about many individuals are dying to get individuals to conform.
BASH: We had been making an attempt to be — we had been listening to the leaders on this nation, together with the president, who had a every day press convention explaining what was occurring, and making an attempt to hear.
KENNEDY: Have been you listening to the scientists, really?
BASH: I wish to speak to — measles.
KENNEDY: Have been you studying the science your self?
Not doing the factor that failed final time is a superbly acceptable response to the query of the way to put together for the subsequent pandemic. Maybe it wasn’t the response that Bash wished to listen to nevertheless it was legitimate nonetheless.
This might be one of many first occasions, if not the primary, that anybody brings accountability to the Elitist Media for his or her position in spreading Covid propaganda and serving to squash any dissent in opposition to the measures; whether or not the vaccine, the lockdowns, the social distancing, or the college closures. Kennedy referred to as her out after which demanded she bolster her claims with science. And Bash discovered the exhausting means that there’s a distinction between The Science™ the media pushed and the precise science the individuals wanted to listen to.
Bash would finally shift the dialog to the continuing measles outbreak. Right here, once more, she obtained completely wrecked.
WATCH: CNN’s Dana Bash tries to pin the measles outbreak on HHS Sec’y RFK Jr, will get WRECKED with a Fauci Diaries quote
DANA BASH: The measles instances within the U.S. simply reached a 35-year excessive, the second record-breaking 12 months in a row; 93 % of those instances are among the many… pic.twitter.com/U9QGQCTVeT
— Jorge Bonilla (@BonillaJL) August 2, 2026
BASH: The measles instances within the U.S. simply reached a 35-year excessive, the second record-breaking 12 months in a row; 93 % of those instances are among the many unvaccinated. The outbreak is occurring in your watch. And even earlier than turning into HHS Secretary, for years, you could have been one of many main voices questioning the efficacy of vaccines. Do you settle for some duty for this measles outbreak?
KENNEDY: Completely not. To begin with, that is a global outbreak. So we’re doing higher at dealing with it than any nation on the planet. Mexico has 15 occasions the quantity of measles per capita that we’ve. Canada has 4 occasions the quantity of measles. England has two occasions the quantity of measles. Did I trigger these measles outbreaks?
BASH: You are probably the most well-known…
KENNEDY: Did I trigger 137,000 instances of measles in Europe?
BASH: You are probably the most well-known vaccine skeptic on the planet.
KENNEDY: Let me let you know, as a result of really Anthony Fauci in his diaries solutions the query about why we’re having a measles outbreak proper now. The rationale we’re having a measles outbreak is due to the COVID lockdowns, as a result of individuals did not — like, kids throughout that interval didn’t get vaccinated. And, in his diaries, he says that is going to trigger large outbreaks of measles and extra kids — he says this — are going to die.
(CROSSTALK)
KENNEDY: Let me end, since you accused me of one thing. Now let me…
BASH: Go forward. No, I did not. I requested you a query.
KENNEDY: Sure, let me provide the reply. He says in his diaries, extra kids are going to die from measles due to these lockdowns than COVID. So, if you wish to know — and that age group that ought to have gotten the MMR after they had been 18 months and did not get it, they’re those being contaminated. The individuals on this nation — and we’ve stopped the outbreaks at report pace in South Carolina and Texas and Utah and Virginia. We’ve got accomplished higher than any nation on the planet. I dispatched instantly the epidemic intelligence companies to these states. I get on the cellphone with the governor and we cease them of their tracks.
BASH: OK.
KENNEDY: No person else has been in a position to do this.
BASH: You may have a bully pulpit.
KENNEDY: Let me let you know only one final thing.
BASH: Go forward. Go forward.
KENNEDY: The communities which might be affected by measles are nearly all spiritual communities that simply do not vaccinate. The Mennonites haven’t vaccinated since 1796, since Edward Jenner invented the smallpox vaccine. It is exhausting in charge that on me, as a lot as you wish to blame it on me.
BASH: No, I do not wish to blame you. I am asking you as a result of you could have a really highly effective voice on these points for people who find themselves skeptical.
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: Let me end. Let me end.
KENNEDY: I’ve by no means questioned the efficacy of the MMR vaccine.
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: OK, let me — let me end. What I need you to do is please use your bully pulpit to proper now, as we’re getting near again to high school, say — are you prepared to say to oldsters who haven’t vaccinated their youngsters that they need to vaccinate their youngsters for measles as a result of it’s protected and it’ll assist them save their kids’s lives?
KENNEDY: I inform individuals on my Web pages, my public…
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: Proper now. Look into the digital camera.
KENNEDY: I’ll say it proper now, that individuals — dad and mom ought to get their kids vaccinated for measles. A measles vaccine is efficient. It stops measles in about 97 % of the instances. So, individuals ought to get vaccinated.
Kennedy would then name Bash out and the media but once more, and in one of many extra memorable elements of this extremely contentious interview, state that Bash is aware of nothing however as an alternative parrots the individuals saying, “belief the consultants.”
“All you know the way to do is repeat issues that individuals advised you and say, belief the consultants.” RFK Jr. confronts CNN’s Dana Bash on the media’s position throughout the Covid insanity
ROBERT F. KENNEDY Jr: Let me ask you one thing. Do you see your job as ending vaccine hesitancy, or do you… pic.twitter.com/uxF4NjDHdJ
— Jorge Bonilla (@BonillaJL) August 2, 2026
KENNEDY: Let me ask you one thing. Do you see your job as ending vaccine hesitancy, or do you see your job as telling the reality to the American individuals?
BASH: I see my job as telling the reality. And the reality is that there’s examine after examine after examine. It is some of the studied issues on the market in science.
KENNEDY: You are repeating it like a parrot. You are repeating it like a parrot.
BASH: So are you.
KENNEDY: I’ve really learn the science. Let’s…
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: You do not wish to…
KENNEDY: Let’s you and I come again right here and debate the science.
BASH: I do not — I am not debating this with you.
KENNEDY: In fact you will not.
BASH: No, as a result of I am not…
(CROSSTALK)
KENNEDY: All you know the way to do is repeat issues that individuals advised you and say, belief the consultants.That is what you probably did throughout COVID. Now we all know that Anthony Fauci, who was the skilled, was mendacity about every little thing, about masks, in regards to the social distancing, about pure immunity, in regards to the transmission from the vaccine, in regards to the supply of COVID. He was mendacity, and also you had been punishing individuals for not trusting the consultants. And now you are rolling out the consultants once more…
BASH: Sure.
KENNEDY: … to speak about one thing that you don’t have any private information of.
BASH: OK. Properly, guess what? That’s my job to speak to individuals.
KENNEDY: Your job is to inform the reality to the American public…
BASH: Am I allowed to speak? Sure, sure. And my job is to get as a lot info as I can.
KENNEDY: … and to take care of a posture of fierce skepticism towards authorities authority.
BASH: What we had been doing in COVID and nonetheless, with regard to those vaccines, is getting the most effective info, the most effective science that we are able to and placing it on the market. And, sir, you what you’re doing is inflicting info to be on the market that’s not correct.
(CROSSTALK)
KENNEDY: … mendacity to you, who’s mendacity to you.
BASH: The Nationwide Academy of Sciences, which you simply cited, in November, mentioned: “We assist the assertion that vaccines don’t trigger autism.” That is the Nationwide Academy of Sciences that you simply simply talked about.
KENNEDY: The Nationwide — take a look at the Nationwide Academy of Sciences’ most up-to-date report.
BASH: OK.
KENNEDY: And you will notice.
The interview closed out with comparable exchanges on autism, vaccines, and ultra-processed meals. Bash did subsequent mop-up by bringing on Biden’s head of Covid response, Dr. Ashish Jha. It must also be famous that this was the one protection of any form given to the Fauci Diaries on any of the Elitist Media’s Sunday reveals. Given how the change went, we are able to clearly see why.
P.S: Dana Bash is talked about precisely 9 occasions within the Fauci Diaries. Seven of these are a memorialization of his interviews together with her on CNN. One point out information a textual content message citing Vainness Honest, saying:
I acquired a textual content from Dana Bash declaring that Vainness Honest just lately had a headline that mentioned: Jim Jordan journeys over his personal asshole making an attempt to debate Anthony Fauci.
And there’s the point out of one other textual content despatched to Fauci by Bash. Fauci wrote:
Dana Bash despatched me a textual content: “I simply watched the entire Jordan factor. Once more, you’re a greater man than I…. As our pal Wolf Blitzer mentioned to me yesterday – nobody would have blamed you should you mentioned merely “Mr. Jordan, go f— your self”
Click on “develop” to view the complete transcript of the aforementioned interview as aired on CNN State of the Union on Sunday, August 2nd, 2026:
DANA BASH: Right here with me now could be the Well being and Human Companies Secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Thanks for being right here.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY. Jr.: Thanks for having me.
BASH: Respect it. You may have been putting almost all of the blame on the COVID pandemic and the best way that the U.S. responded to it squarely with Dr. Fauci. However, in fact, he labored for President Trump. Does President Trump additionally deserve a number of the blame?
KENNEDY: Properly President Trump, as you recall, wished to finish the lockdowns. I feel the factor that did probably the most injury to our nation was the lockdowns, lockdowns that shut down 3.5 million companies in our nation with no due course of, no simply compensation, all of our church buildings, closed our colleges, and our kids are nonetheless paying the worth for that. And but we had the worst end result of any nation on the planet.
BASH: How so?
KENNEDY: We’ve got the very best demise price from COVID of any nation on Earth.
BASH: Properly, let me simply say, as a result of I’ve heard you say that earlier than on the demise price from COVID. That is not correct, as a result of public well being consultants say that there’s a mixture of things that went into that, greater charges of persistent diseases, which I do know you’ll agree with, gaps to our well being care system, and misinformation about vaccines.
KENNEDY: Sure, you simply mentioned what I mentioned was inaccurate. What I mentioned was correct. We had the very best demise price from COVID of any…
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: Properly, there are different nations that had greater, however go forward.
KENNEDY: You’ll be able to argue about why we had that. However you — no one can let you know. I imply, we’ve — as you say, we’ve the very best persistent illness burden on the planet. And Anthony Fauci was mismanaging the COVID pandemic and was doing it underneath the Biden administration. President Trump wished to finish the lockdowns. And, actually, in Anthony Fauci’s diaries, he talks about how President Trump is asking him daily, making an attempt to get him to reopen the nation.
BASH: Sure, properly, the lockdowns had been accomplished by governors. I imply, actually, Anthony Fauci and the president had opinions, however the lockdowns had been accomplished by governors, and largely as a result of — and largely as a result of they had been listening to they had been listening to from hospitals saying that their ICUs had been overrun and so they wanted some assist whereas that was occurring.
(CROSSTALK)
KENNEDY: Properly, that is not true. Dana, that is simply not true.
BASH: It’s true.
KENNEDY: What you are saying just isn’t true. No, they had been doing it as a result of Anthony Fauci was telling them from the highest, you could lock down. There have been ICUs that had been empty everywhere in the nation, together with in New York on the peak.
BASH: I am asking you — I am going to return to what I requested you originally, which is President Trump. And he was the man in cost. And he — you tweeted again in 2024 that he let bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci shut down your complete nation. Once more, the president was in cost.
KENNEDY: The president was making an attempt to reopen the nation when he left. The nation was stored closed for an additional 12 months, nearly a year-and-a-half after that.
BASH: Let’s discuss the way to forestall the subsequent pandemic, as a result of there’s loads of litigating and relitigating that I do not assume is de facto useful to do with regard to COVID. And the query is about so-called achieve of perform, which, for individuals who aren’t solely clear about it, it’s a extremely dangerous analysis course of that features manipulating a virus to review the way it behaves because it evolves. Now, what scientists say is that, though it is controversial, it’s a necessity to organize for the subsequent pandemic, to get forward of it, to determine what these viruses can do. You wish to finish this achieve of perform analysis. Some scientists say, is not it higher simply to place higher guardrails round it?
KENNEDY: Folks have been making an attempt to place guardrails round it for generations, and it hasn’t labored. And, clearly, the COVID-19 pandemic and plenty of different world pandemics that we’ve, have come from knowledge perform analysis. The RSV epidemic that we’ve that’s the greatest killer of youngsters on this nation at the moment got here from these type of experiments. The Lyme Illness nearly actually got here from this type of analysis.So — and the scientists who you say are consultants are making the argument that that is needed for pandemic response can’t level to 1 occasion in historical past the place analysis that got here out of this type of experimentation has really offered us one thing helpful.
BASH: So, how do you put together then? How do you put together for the subsequent pandemic? I imply, that is actually a part of your job now, as a result of consultants assume it should occur inside the subsequent 10 years once more.
KENNEDY: Sure, I imply, I feel we did nearly every little thing improper the final time.
BASH: So — however what about now?
KENNEDY: The principal factor that we have to do is, we have to hearken to what’s occurring to docs on the bottom. There are 15 million frontline physicians around the globe. They’re primarily now linked by means of the Web. We will inform on the entrance traces what’s working and what’s not. If we had listened to these docs throughout the COVID pandemic, we’d have saved doubtlessly hundreds of thousands of lives. There have been therapeutics on the market that had been working. There have been docs that had been having no deaths from COVID and treating in some instances 1000’s of sufferers.And we weren’t listening to them. As an alternative, we had been doing the other. We had been shutting them down. After which, Dana, the opposite factor that I might say is that we have to defend our constitutional rights. That’s the main obligation of our nation.
BASH: What does that imply?
KENNEDY: Properly, throughout COVID, we utterly dismantled our constitutional rights. We started censoring individuals, in violation of the First Modification.
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: However you are saying what to not do. I am asking what to do. However I- however I wish to discuss…
KENNEDY: Properly, that is one thing to do. That’s the primary precedence. We defend the Structure. The Structure was written.
BASH: Forgive me, however you are simply — you are speaking about rights, and I am asking a few potential public well being disaster that’s coming. However I do wish to — let’s…
KENNEDY: And one of many errors we made within the final time was suppressing these rights so individuals weren’t being heard. Docs who had been saying you are doing it improper had been being marginalized and vilified and…
BASH: Sure, as a result of — as a result of — once more, I actually wish to transfer on. However you had been saying you had been…
KENNEDY: In fact you wish to transfer…
BASH: Sure, I do.
KENNEDY: … since you had been a part of the issue.
BASH: No, I wasn’t a part of the issue.
KENNEDY: There was absolute press malpractice. You were not permitting — your job…(CROSSTALK)
BASH: Mr. Secretary, your job…
KENNEDY: Your job is a fierce skepticism towards authority.
BASH: OK. Sure, I’m. I’m.
KENNEDY: And you were not doing that. You had been beating up on individuals who had been dissenting.
BASH: My job can be — no, OK. Are you going to — you wish to sit right here and assault me, or do you wish to have conversations about public well being?
KENNEDY: Properly, you are sitting right here and attacking me.
BASH: I am not attacking you. I am asking questions on the way to forestall the subsequent pandemic.
KENNEDY: And let me reply the query. And I’ll let you know.
BASH: That is what I am making an attempt to do. However I additionally do not wish to use this interview to let you say issues that are not solely true. You are speaking about therapeutics. High quality. It’s also factually true that the COVID vaccine labored. The COVID vaccine prevented deaths. There may be knowledge upon knowledge upon knowledge. Let’s speak in regards to the measles, please, as a result of that is one thing that’s occurring as we converse. The instances within the U.S…
KENNEDY: You assume the COVID vaccine protected kids?
BASH: I feel that what I’ve talked to scientists and docs about…
KENNEDY: You may have talked to scientists. Are you able to look — are you able to present me one examine…
BASH: Sure, I can. I can.
KENNEDY: … that reveals that kids had been protected by the COVID vaccine?
BASH: I can let you know that there are…
KENNEDY: That that vaccine did extra good than hurt to kids? Are you able to present me one examine that reveals that?
BASH: I can let you know that, on the subject of the vaccine, there have been research that present that, due to vaccine disinformation, disinformation, there may have been 100,000 to 200,000 within the U.S. saved However as a result of individuals did not get the vaccine, that is why.
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: I am not saying that it solely — let me end. Let me end.
KENNEDY: You’re saying nonsense. You’re saying one thing that you simply can’t present me a single examine.
BASH: OK. I’m not saying nonsense. I am — excuse me.
KENNEDY: You’re speaking — anyone advised you.
BASH: Excuse me. Let me…
KENNEDY: And also you — cite me the examine. What examine?
(CROSSTALK)
BASH: No, what research are you speaking about? You are speaking about research that really do not exist. I wish to speak in regards to the…
KENNEDY: Cite me the examine. You are speaking about it.
BASH: I am not right here to defend…
KENNEDY: You say you could have seen research. Cite me the examine.
BASH: This isn’t productive. I’m not right here to defend the entire — let me end.
KENNEDY: You are simply — you are speaking nonsense. You are making assertions you possibly can’t assist, after which after I name you on them, you are telling me I am arguing with you.
BASH: OK, do you wish to discuss you wish to discuss assertions which you can’t assist? I’ll get there in a second. Let me simply say, for the report, that I’m not saying that your complete means that the COVID response was correct. It was a scary time, and other people made errors, completely. Let me end.
KENNEDY: You had been scaring individuals.
BASH: Why are you saying that?
KENNEDY: As a result of that was the job of CNN…
BASH: OK. OK, cease.
KENNEDY: … was to place the Chyrons up about many individuals are dying to get individuals to conform.
BASH: We had been making an attempt to be — we had been listening to the leaders on this nation, together with the president, who had a every day press convention explaining what was occurring, and making an attempt to hear.
KENNEDY: Have been you listening to the scientists, really?
BASH: I wish to speak to — measles.
KENNEDY: Have been you studying the science your self?
BASH: The measles instances within the U.S. simply reached a 35-year excessive, the second record-breaking 12 months in a row; 93 % of those instances are among the many unvaccinated. The outbreak is occurring in your watch. And even earlier than turning into HHS Secretary, for years, you could have been one of many main voices questioning the efficacy of vaccines. Do you settle for some duty for this measles outbreak?
KENNEDY: Completely not. To begin with, that is a global outbreak. So we’re doing higher at dealing with it than any nation on the planet. Mexico has 15 occasions the quantity of measles per capita that we’ve. Canada has 4 occasions the quantity of measles. England has two occasions the quantity of measles. Did I trigger these measles outbreaks?
BASH: You are probably the most well-known…
KENNEDY: Did I trigger 137,000 instances of measles in Europe?
BASH: You are probably the most well-known vaccine skeptic on the planet.
KENNEDY: Let me let you know, as a result of really Anthony Fauci in his diaries solutions the query about why we’re having a measles outbreak proper now. The rationale we’re having a measles outbreak is due to the COVID lockdowns, as a result of individuals did not — like, kids throughout that interval didn’t get vaccinated. And, in his diaries, he says that is going to trigger large outbreaks of measles and extra kids — he says this — are going to die.
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KENNEDY: Let me end, since you accused me of one thing. Now let me…
BASH: Go forward. No, I did not. I requested you a query.
KENNEDY: Sure, let me provide the reply. He says in his diaries, extra kids are going to die from measles due to these lockdowns than COVID. So, if you wish to know — and that age group that ought to have gotten the MMR after they had been 18 months and did not get it, they’re those being contaminated. The individuals on this nation — and we’ve stopped the outbreaks at report pace in South Carolina and Texas and Utah and Virginia. We’ve got accomplished higher than any nation on the planet. I dispatched instantly the epidemic intelligence companies to these states. I get on the cellphone with the governor, and we cease them of their tracks.
BASH: OK.
KENNEDY: No person else has been in a position to do this.
BASH: You may have a bully pulpit.
KENNEDY: Let me let you know only one final thing.
BASH: Go forward. Go forward.
KENNEDY: The communities which might be affected by measles are nearly all spiritual communities that simply do not vaccinate. The Mennonites haven’t vaccinated since 1796, since Edward Jenner invented the smallpox vaccine. It is exhausting in charge that on me, as a lot as you wish to blame it on me.
BASH: No, I do not wish to blame you. I am asking you as a result of you could have a really highly effective voice on these points for people who find themselves skeptical.
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BASH: Let me end. Let me end.
KENNEDY: I’ve by no means questioned the efficacy of the MMR vaccine.(CROSSTALK)
BASH: OK, let me — let me end. What I need you to do is please use your bully pulpit to proper now, as we’re getting near again to high school, say — are you prepared to say to oldsters who haven’t vaccinated their youngsters that they need to vaccinate their youngsters for measles as a result of it’s protected and it’ll assist them save their kids’s lives?
KENNEDY: I inform individuals on my Web pages, my public…
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BASH: Proper now. Look into the digital camera.
KENNEDY: I’ll say it proper now, that individuals — dad and mom ought to get their kids vaccinated for measles. A measles vaccine is efficient. It stops measles in about 97 % of the instances. So, individuals ought to get vaccinated.
BASH: Can I ask you? “The Wall Avenue Journal” reported that the president is pressuring you to conduct research probing the hyperlink between vaccines and autism. Is that true?
KENNEDY: Did you say probing the hyperlink?
BASH: What “The Wall” — I am simply quoting “The Wall Avenue Journal,” that they, that the president desires you to go additional to probe the hyperlinks between autism and vaccines.
KENNEDY: He actually does.
BASH: OK. Now, have you ever talked to him about medical analysis which have studied this for 25 years and located no hyperlink between autism and vaccines? And simply that — that is my query right here, as a result of I do not wish to litigate that. My query is, why not — since you are HHS Secretary now. Why not examine what may trigger autism, which scientists do consider begins with fetal mind growth? Why not do some research on that, whether or not there’s — because you’re an environmental lawyer, whether or not there are environmental elements that go into contributing to a predisposed genetic state of affairs?
KENNEDY: Properly, let me say this primary. We’re doing all these issues. And that is one of many ways in which we discovered Tylenol. There’s 73 research out that hyperlink Tylenol publicity throughout later being pregnant and throughout the perinatal interval to autism onset.However you’re improper whenever you say that this problem has been studied. It has been studied. And also you’re rolling your eyes, Dana, however that is one other instance…
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BASH: I’m, as a result of I do not need — I do not wish to have you ever use our air to say this. There have been greater than 40 research involving 5.6 million individuals to conclude there is no such thing as a hyperlink between vaccines and autism. That is the top of the Committee of Infectious Illnesses for the American Academy of Pediatrics.
KENNEDY: And now let me let you know what the Institute of Drugs is — says, which is the Nationwide Academy of Sciences, which is the final word arbiter on vaccine security, through which it doesn’t have an curiosity on this debate. It says that not one of the eight vaccines which might be administered throughout the first six months of life have ever been studied for relationship to autism. It discovered two research, one on the DTP vaccine that present that it does trigger autism, and one on the hepatitis B vaccine that once more means that it does trigger autism.The Institute of Drugs dismissed these two research as a result of they had been based mostly on CDC’s database. The research that you simply’re referring to are all from one vaccine, the MMR vaccine, or one ingredient, thimerosal.
BASH: So you’re utilizing — you’re really — you are beginning new research to attempt to hyperlink autism, however you are additionally telling me…KENNEDY: I am not making an attempt to hyperlink autism to something. I am looking for out, why has autism gone from…
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BASH: Are you additionally looking for out the way it interacts with individuals’s DNA, what’s predisposed to have an autistic youngster? Are you doing each?
KENNEDY: Sure. However, Dana, you most likely do not perceive this since you’re not a scientist.
BASH: Properly, you are not both.
KENNEDY: However genes do not trigger — genes do not trigger epidemics.
BASH: I perceive. Genes — epidemics?
KENNEDY: They’ll present a vulnerability, however you want environmental publicity.
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BASH: Environmental. That is what I am asking. Are you finding out the environmental publicity?
KENNEDY: We’re all of the completely different environmental exposures. However your assertion — you could have been fooled. Your assertion that this has been studied just isn’t true. It is categorically not true, not for any of the examine.
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BASH: It’s thought of determined.
KENNEDY: Thought-about by who?
BASH: By each scientist who has studied this.
KENNEDY: That’s not true.
BASH: It’s true.
KENNEDY: I can provide you tons of of scientists who’ve checked out this and say, why is the…
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BASH: So, on the one hand, you’re — do you perceive why individuals do not get…
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KENNEDY: That is the Nationwide Academy of Sciences. What larger authority do..
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BASH: Do you perceive why individuals are not getting measles vaccines? As a result of they’re listening to you say that it may trigger autism.
KENNEDY: You are making an attempt to alter the topic.
BASH: I am not. It’s totally a lot associated.
KENNEDY: And, look, present me one of many research that is been accomplished on the primary eight — the vaccines throughout the first six months of life. You’ll not discover them. The Nationwide Academy of Sciences states they don’t exist.
BASH: So, if that is the case, then why are you telling individuals to get the measles vaccine?
KENNEDY: If individuals — as a result of that is among the vaccines that has been studied.
BASH: OK.
KENNEDY: It is the one one which has been studied.
BASH: Would you like individuals to get the MMR vaccine?
KENNEDY: Sure, I mentioned that already.
BASH: OK.
KENNEDY: So I do know you are flustered now, and it’s…
BASH: I do not — I am not flustered in any respect.
KENNEDY: It’s irritating as a result of individuals…
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BASH: I’m pissed off. The rationale I am pissed off is as a result of I — you’re the HHS Secretary, and you’re speaking about issues that result in vaccine hesitancy on this nation. And it’s one thing that causes issues for individuals, when there’s not something…
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KENNEDY: Let me ask you one thing. Do you see your job as ending vaccine hesitancy, or do you see your job as telling the reality to the American individuals?
BASH: I see my job as telling the reality. And the reality is that there’s examine after examine after examine. It is some of the studied issues on the market in science.
KENNEDY: You are repeating it like a parrot. You are repeating it like a parrot.
BASH: So are you.
KENNEDY: I’ve really learn the science. Let’s…
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BASH: You do not wish to…
KENNEDY: Let’s you and I come again right here and debate the science.
BASH: I do not — I am not debating this with you.
KENNEDY: In fact you will not.
BASH: No, as a result of I am not…
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KENNEDY: All you know the way to do is repeat issues that individuals advised you and say, belief the consultants.That is what you probably did throughout COVID. Now we all know that Anthony Fauci, who was the skilled, was mendacity about every little thing, about masks, in regards to the social distancing, about pure immunity, in regards to the transmission from the vaccine, in regards to the supply of COVID. He was mendacity, and also you had been punishing individuals for not trusting the consultants. And now you are rolling out the consultants once more…
BASH: Sure.
KENNEDY: … to speak about one thing that you don’t have any private information of.
BASH: OK. Properly, guess what? That’s my job to speak to individuals.
KENNEDY: Your job is to inform the reality to the American public…
BASH: Am I allowed to speak? Sure, sure. And my job is to get as a lot info as I can.
KENNEDY: … and to take care of a posture of fierce skepticism towards authorities authority.
BASH: What we had been doing in COVID and nonetheless, with regard to those vaccines, is getting the most effective info, the most effective science that we are able to and placing it on the market. And, sir, you what you’re doing is inflicting info to be on the market that’s not correct.
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KENNEDY: … mendacity to you, who’s mendacity to you.
BASH: The Nationwide Academy of Sciences, which you simply cited, in November, mentioned: “We assist the assertion that vaccines don’t trigger autism.” That is the Nationwide Academy of Sciences that you simply simply talked about.
KENNEDY: The Nationwide — take a look at the Nationwide Academy of Sciences’ most up-to-date report.
BASH: OK.
KENNEDY: And you will notice.
BASH: I do not — I wish to ask you one different query as a result of it is one thing that basically did assist Donald Trump get elected, and that’s the MAHA motion and particularly the query of processed meals.
KENNEDY: Of what?
BASH: Processed meals and the truth that individuals wish to really feel that their meals is protected. My understanding is that you simply’re pushing for reforms on meals security and ultra-processed meals which were slowed, in some instances blocked by individuals within the administration who’re engaged on behalf of the trade. Is that true?
KENNEDY: No, that’s not true.
BASH: So you are feeling that it is possible for you to to get these reforms accomplished with none issues?
KENNEDY: I feel the GRAS — the 2 massive reforms that you simply’re most likely speaking about is ultra-processed meals definition…
BASH: Precisely.
KENNEDY: … and the GRAS requirements.
BASH: Sure.
KENNEDY: And so they have each gone by means of in depth interagency course of. I am very assured that we are going to get them each on the market inside most likely a month.
BASH: Properly, I am sorry that this — and that is excellent news for people who find themselves very — mothers, and I am considered one of them, who’re very anxious about ensuring that our children eat meals and we eat meals that’s that’s wholesome. I am sorry that this changed into a really contentious dialog, and my job is to attempt to get the most effective info on the market. And it does concern me whenever you are available in and say issues which have — I…
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BASH: Sure, individuals who have scientific backgrounds, and who I do know have tried to speak to you as properly. Thanks for coming in.
